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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/a-spelling-drill/#comment-87122</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like you may have your work cut out for you.  My students are learning English as a second language, but they don't have any sort of special impairments.

I start with just words containing a,b,c,d and t.  In other words, bab, bac, bad, bat, cab, cac, cad, cat, dab, dac, dad, dat, tab, tac, tad and tat.  Then, I add e and a few more consonants the next lesson.  Later, I start teaching phonics rules, such as, vowel+vowel =&gt; the first vowel is long (e.g. "beat", "boat") and vowel+consonant+vowel =&gt; the first vowel is long (e.g. "note", "rate").  Eventually, I teach all the letters and quite a few more spelling rules.  However, I try to make sure they master each spelling exercise before moving on.  It can get a little tiring going over the same simple thing again and again, but I don't think moving on before they get is a good idea.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you may have your work cut out for you.  My students are learning English as a second language, but they don&#8217;t have any sort of special impairments.</p>
<p>I start with just words containing a,b,c,d and t.  In other words, bab, bac, bad, bat, cab, cac, cad, cat, dab, dac, dad, dat, tab, tac, tad and tat.  Then, I add e and a few more consonants the next lesson.  Later, I start teaching phonics rules, such as, vowel+vowel => the first vowel is long (e.g. &#8220;beat&#8221;, &#8220;boat&#8221;) and vowel+consonant+vowel => the first vowel is long (e.g. &#8220;note&#8221;, &#8220;rate&#8221;).  Eventually, I teach all the letters and quite a few more spelling rules.  However, I try to make sure they master each spelling exercise before moving on.  It can get a little tiring going over the same simple thing again and again, but I don&#8217;t think moving on before they get is a good idea.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/a-spelling-drill/#comment-87112</link>
		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across your site while searching for a method to teach my kids who have a visual-spatial impairment.  I have spent countless hours teaching phonics but because of the spatial problem they will have all letters but scrambled.  I started thinking maybe I should teach them to spell it outloud and that might help while writing it down.

So how do you do it--is it your own method or is there a special trick?

thanks for any advice.

danielle homeschool mom of three</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across your site while searching for a method to teach my kids who have a visual-spatial impairment.  I have spent countless hours teaching phonics but because of the spatial problem they will have all letters but scrambled.  I started thinking maybe I should teach them to spell it outloud and that might help while writing it down.</p>
<p>So how do you do it&#8211;is it your own method or is there a special trick?</p>
<p>thanks for any advice.</p>
<p>danielle homeschool mom of three</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Seuss Is My Friend &#124; Doubting to shuo: Chinese, Investing, EFL and Being a Geek in Taiwan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Seuss Is My Friend &#124; Doubting to shuo: Chinese, Investing, EFL and Being a Geek in Taiwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 14:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the Dr. Seuss books I&#8217;ve used so far. Since my students have all gone done so many oral spelling drills, it&#8217;s pretty easy for them to sound out new words. With so many rhyming words, it&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about the Dr. Seuss books I&#8217;ve used so far. Since my students have all gone done so many oral spelling drills, it&#8217;s pretty easy for them to sound out new words. With so many rhyming words, it&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/a-spelling-drill/#comment-1477</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 00:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you've hit upon why these oral spelling drills are such a tough sell for the visiting parents.  Many are very concerned about their children's spelling exams at school and they want us to cram GEPT vocab lists.  Even after our students learn &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; our phonics rules, they're still unsure about how to pronounce about 15% of the words in a dictionary (I pull random lists from a database).  Compounding the issue is that in English (like any other language), it's the most commonly used words that are most likely to be irregular.  It just happens that "break" is one of those words that we have to teach as an exception.  If I showed that word to a first semester student, he or she would pronounce it as "breek".

As far as comprehension of "brake" vs "break" and similar words is concerned, that's where &lt;a href="/?p=25" rel="nofollow"&gt;extensive reading&lt;/a&gt; is great.  It's amazing how much the students' vocabulary retention improves when they read 40 pages of English a week... even if it's a relatively "easy" 40 pages.

I've had to explain to dozens of parents, that the main value of these oral spelling drills is an improved ear for the sounds and improved pronunciation.  These OSDs may help the students on spelling tests, but with all the exceptions in English, they sure won't be enough to guarantee perfect scores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you&#8217;ve hit upon why these oral spelling drills are such a tough sell for the visiting parents.  Many are very concerned about their children&#8217;s spelling exams at school and they want us to cram GEPT vocab lists.  Even after our students learn <i>all</i> our phonics rules, they&#8217;re still unsure about how to pronounce about 15% of the words in a dictionary (I pull random lists from a database).  Compounding the issue is that in English (like any other language), it&#8217;s the most commonly used words that are most likely to be irregular.  It just happens that &#8220;break&#8221; is one of those words that we have to teach as an exception.  If I showed that word to a first semester student, he or she would pronounce it as &#8220;breek&#8221;.</p>
<p>As far as comprehension of &#8220;brake&#8221; vs &#8220;break&#8221; and similar words is concerned, that&#8217;s where <a href="/?p=25" rel="nofollow">extensive reading</a> is great.  It&#8217;s amazing how much the students&#8217; vocabulary retention improves when they read 40 pages of English a week&#8230; even if it&#8217;s a relatively &#8220;easy&#8221; 40 pages.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had to explain to dozens of parents, that the main value of these oral spelling drills is an improved ear for the sounds and improved pronunciation.  These OSDs may help the students on spelling tests, but with all the exceptions in English, they sure won&#8217;t be enough to guarantee perfect scores.</p>
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		<title>By: John B</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/a-spelling-drill/#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator>John B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim B,

I agree that style of teaching is great for preschoolers, but when they get to learning how to spell English (and for your kids that will be their native language, a much easier task than Mark's kids are facing) I'm not sure there's another way to do it.

For instance, "break" and "brake," which ones means what?  You and I know because at some point in our lives we memorized that one is spelled one way and one is spelled the other.  It is, for most people, pretty easy because the input is non-stop in their native language, but it still required some memorization.

I think spelling is one of the few areas of language learning where rote memorization has merits, though even then it should be supplemented with phonics and other such systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim B,</p>
<p>I agree that style of teaching is great for preschoolers, but when they get to learning how to spell English (and for your kids that will be their native language, a much easier task than Mark&#8217;s kids are facing) I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s another way to do it.</p>
<p>For instance, &#8220;break&#8221; and &#8220;brake,&#8221; which ones means what?  You and I know because at some point in our lives we memorized that one is spelled one way and one is spelled the other.  It is, for most people, pretty easy because the input is non-stop in their native language, but it still required some memorization.</p>
<p>I think spelling is one of the few areas of language learning where rote memorization has merits, though even then it should be supplemented with phonics and other such systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Kanwa-kyudai</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/a-spelling-drill/#comment-1468</link>
		<dc:creator>Kanwa-kyudai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark-san, 

Listening carefully to the English words spoken by a native speaker is a very good drill for children to develop their listening comprehension. I really envy today's young learners of foreign languages their improved environments for studying.  

When I was a student many years ago, regrettably the most part of studying English was memorizing words and sentences. There was no foreign teacher at schools, and even the time for listening to English with a tape-recorder was not enough in class. 

Moreover, what was worse, my ears did not become sensitive to the sounds of English because I had been long exposed only to Japanese, which sounds are simple, when I was a child. If I were a student in your class, I would be the worst one in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark-san, </p>
<p>Listening carefully to the English words spoken by a native speaker is a very good drill for children to develop their listening comprehension. I really envy today&#8217;s young learners of foreign languages their improved environments for studying.  </p>
<p>When I was a student many years ago, regrettably the most part of studying English was memorizing words and sentences. There was no foreign teacher at schools, and even the time for listening to English with a tape-recorder was not enough in class. </p>
<p>Moreover, what was worse, my ears did not become sensitive to the sounds of English because I had been long exposed only to Japanese, which sounds are simple, when I was a child. If I were a student in your class, I would be the worst one in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/a-spelling-drill/#comment-1466</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem, I changed "hole" to "whole".  If you find any other mistakes you want to change on any comments, just email me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem, I changed &#8220;hole&#8221; to &#8220;whole&#8221;.  If you find any other mistakes you want to change on any comments, just email me.</p>
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		<title>By: jim b</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/a-spelling-drill/#comment-1463</link>
		<dc:creator>jim b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry... on the whole (and probably loads of other spelling and grammatical errors!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry&#8230; on the whole (and probably loads of other spelling and grammatical errors!!)</p>
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		<title>By: jim b</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/a-spelling-drill/#comment-1462</link>
		<dc:creator>jim b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, i agree that it is impressive to see young kids with good command of spelling. But I really don't like the rote element of this style of learning. I can see how it has arisen, Chinese parents and the Chinese educational system seem to be geared up to appreciate this. But while this method gives short term results, what are we doing to the long term learning of these children? After years and years of a dry rote learned education (as they will get this from Chinese school as well), what do you think their state of mind will be? Do you think they will be eager to learn? I personally believe that kids exposed to this for too long will simply burn out and their performance and enthusiasm to learn will be greatly diminished. As a teacher of 4 &#38; 5 years olds in the UK, i love the hands on approach of the current UK curriculum at this age. They learn through exploring and practical activities. For example, rather than teach the children 3-d shapes by bringing out pictures or models and drilling them, we set up a picnic with each teddy bear or animal liking a certain shape food. We then passed around different food and asked the children which animal would like to eat them. They were exploring the different shapes, recalling the names. Also they were practising investigation skills, feeling the shape of the food, smelling it and talking about what it was like. Then you will be amazed at how many children can remember and sort these 3D objects after only a few practical experiences like this. This is the perfect way to teach very young children, but i think this practical approach shouldn't be totally lost on older children. I realise that it is virtually impossible to teach this way in private language schools in Taiwan; its not comercially viable. However, this background makes me feel for the children involved in the Chinese/Taiwanse, hell even Asian way of education. Boring, dry; zapping all creative energies from the children. I have nothing against you Mark, and would agree that your method is a good method for what it is; but as an educator, i am always told to interest the learner; this is clearly not happening in Taiwan on the whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, i agree that it is impressive to see young kids with good command of spelling. But I really don&#8217;t like the rote element of this style of learning. I can see how it has arisen, Chinese parents and the Chinese educational system seem to be geared up to appreciate this. But while this method gives short term results, what are we doing to the long term learning of these children? After years and years of a dry rote learned education (as they will get this from Chinese school as well), what do you think their state of mind will be? Do you think they will be eager to learn? I personally believe that kids exposed to this for too long will simply burn out and their performance and enthusiasm to learn will be greatly diminished. As a teacher of 4 &amp; 5 years olds in the UK, i love the hands on approach of the current UK curriculum at this age. They learn through exploring and practical activities. For example, rather than teach the children 3-d shapes by bringing out pictures or models and drilling them, we set up a picnic with each teddy bear or animal liking a certain shape food. We then passed around different food and asked the children which animal would like to eat them. They were exploring the different shapes, recalling the names. Also they were practising investigation skills, feeling the shape of the food, smelling it and talking about what it was like. Then you will be amazed at how many children can remember and sort these 3D objects after only a few practical experiences like this. This is the perfect way to teach very young children, but i think this practical approach shouldn&#8217;t be totally lost on older children. I realise that it is virtually impossible to teach this way in private language schools in Taiwan; its not comercially viable. However, this background makes me feel for the children involved in the Chinese/Taiwanse, hell even Asian way of education. Boring, dry; zapping all creative energies from the children. I have nothing against you Mark, and would agree that your method is a good method for what it is; but as an educator, i am always told to interest the learner; this is clearly not happening in Taiwan on the whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/a-spelling-drill/#comment-1461</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They spelled "bit", "bite", "biter", "bitter", "gravy", "thump", "pill" and "meal".  They were all correct, except for one student who spelled "gravy" as "grave".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They spelled &#8220;bit&#8221;, &#8220;bite&#8221;, &#8220;biter&#8221;, &#8220;bitter&#8221;, &#8220;gravy&#8221;, &#8220;thump&#8221;, &#8220;pill&#8221; and &#8220;meal&#8221;.  They were all correct, except for one student who spelled &#8220;gravy&#8221; as &#8220;grave&#8221;.</p>
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