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		<title>By: 123</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/good-god-are-there-a-lot-of-morons-on-digg/#comment-131656</link>
		<dc:creator>123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the answer is as x-&#62; infinity the number will approach 1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the answer is as x-&gt; infinity the number will approach 1</p>
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		<title>By: Reddit isn&#8217;t a news site anymore &#124; Doubting to shuo: Chinese, Investing, EFL and Being a Geek in Taiwan</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/good-god-are-there-a-lot-of-morons-on-digg/#comment-127251</link>
		<dc:creator>Reddit isn&#8217;t a news site anymore &#124; Doubting to shuo: Chinese, Investing, EFL and Being a Geek in Taiwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Post: Good God are There a Lot of Morons on Digg Tags: news, pictures, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Top Five Top 5 Blog Posts &#124; Doubting to shuo: Chinese, Investing, EFL and Being a Geek in Taiwan</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/good-god-are-there-a-lot-of-morons-on-digg/#comment-101941</link>
		<dc:creator>The Top Five Top 5 Blog Posts &#124; Doubting to shuo: Chinese, Investing, EFL and Being a Geek in Taiwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/good-god-are-there-a-lot-of-morons-on-digg/#comment-3726</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I'm not talking about how a user gets karma.  I'm talking about how karma affects the prominence of a comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;m not talking about how a user gets karma.  I&#8217;m talking about how karma affects the prominence of a comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Ball</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/good-god-are-there-a-lot-of-morons-on-digg/#comment-3718</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

Here is what Reddit has to say about Karma:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
The formula for karma is constantly evolving (or, being intelligently redesigned, if you'd prefer). Presently, the easiest (and most effective) way to gain karma is by making good submissions: items that other people want to read and will subsequently become popular. Those redditors who best understand what people want to be reading about will be the best rewarded.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So, it looks like the formula is probably unknown.  I believe that a user gains or loses karma based on the moderation on submitted links and comments.  Unlike slashdot, each vote weighs equally, even though the karma of the voter may vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>Here is what Reddit has to say about Karma:</p>
<blockquote><p>
The formula for karma is constantly evolving (or, being intelligently redesigned, if you&#8217;d prefer). Presently, the easiest (and most effective) way to gain karma is by making good submissions: items that other people want to read and will subsequently become popular. Those redditors who best understand what people want to be reading about will be the best rewarded.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So, it looks like the formula is probably unknown.  I believe that a user gains or loses karma based on the moderation on submitted links and comments.  Unlike slashdot, each vote weighs equally, even though the karma of the voter may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamilton Lovecraft</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/good-god-are-there-a-lot-of-morons-on-digg/#comment-3592</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamilton Lovecraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think half of the people who seem to be idiots are in fact trolls. That is to say, &lt;i&gt;malicious&lt;/i&gt; idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think half of the people who seem to be idiots are in fact trolls. That is to say, <i>malicious</i> idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/good-god-are-there-a-lot-of-morons-on-digg/#comment-3565</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, 

I think Slashdot does so much better of a job with moderation due to a few reasons:
&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Only regular users get moderation points&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Moderation points aren't unlimited; they only get 5 each time&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Poor comments result in penalties to a commenter's karma rating&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The score, and thus the visibility, of each comment is also affected by the commenter's karma rating&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;There are meta-moderators, so poor moderation also results in karma penalties&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Slashdot users are just geekier.
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;

I looked at the thread on .999... vs. 1 on Reddit, and I have to agree with you, Matt.  The comments, while not as interesting or informative as Slashdot comments often are, weren't nearly as bad as the one's on Digg.  I have no idea why, though.  Reddit also offers unlimited moderation points, and offers them to anybody who signs up.  How does karma work on Reddit?  Do you know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, </p>
<p>I think Slashdot does so much better of a job with moderation due to a few reasons:</p>
<ol>
<li>Only regular users get moderation points</li>
<li>Moderation points aren&#8217;t unlimited; they only get 5 each time</li>
<li>Poor comments result in penalties to a commenter&#8217;s karma rating</li>
<li>The score, and thus the visibility, of each comment is also affected by the commenter&#8217;s karma rating</li>
<li>There are meta-moderators, so poor moderation also results in karma penalties</li>
<li>Slashdot users are just geekier.
</li>
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<p>I looked at the thread on .999&#8230; vs. 1 on Reddit, and I have to agree with you, Matt.  The comments, while not as interesting or informative as Slashdot comments often are, weren&#8217;t nearly as bad as the one&#8217;s on Digg.  I have no idea why, though.  Reddit also offers unlimited moderation points, and offers them to anybody who signs up.  How does karma work on Reddit?  Do you know?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/good-god-are-there-a-lot-of-morons-on-digg/#comment-3563</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something about forums brings out the stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something about forums brings out the stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/good-god-are-there-a-lot-of-morons-on-digg/#comment-3375</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one is my favorite:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"ccanni1028 by ccanni1028 15 hours ago
Using the same type of logic as what is in the arcle, there is also proof that 1=2!!!

1/0=0
2/0=0
0=0 so 1=2"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

HAHAHA!!! Oh my!
I think the main problem with doubters is that they don't realize that even integers have infinite precision, ie 1 = 1.000... . Infinite precision does not mean not-a-number. *sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one is my favorite:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;ccanni1028 by ccanni1028 15 hours ago<br />
Using the same type of logic as what is in the arcle, there is also proof that 1=2!!!</p>
<p>1/0=0<br />
2/0=0<br />
0=0 so 1=2&#8243;</p></blockquote>
<p>HAHAHA!!! Oh my!<br />
I think the main problem with doubters is that they don&#8217;t realize that even integers have infinite precision, ie 1 = 1.000&#8230; . Infinite precision does not mean not-a-number. *sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Ball</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/good-god-are-there-a-lot-of-morons-on-digg/#comment-3366</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like the same article is ranking well on &lt;a href="http://reddit.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Reddit&lt;/a&gt; as well (currently at 13th place, even after a day).  Here are the reddit &lt;a href="http://reddit.com/info/89dv/comments" rel="nofollow"&gt;comments&lt;/a&gt;.  I just glanced through them.  Here is one that got moderated way down:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
degustibus -83 points 21 hours ago*

No, it doesn't equal one. Think of the number line. Infitessimally to the left of one is .999 repeating. One is to the right of this value. 1/infinitiy is not the exact same as zero. I'm using the word equal in the sense of identical. I know that axiomatically one derives .999r = 1, but to say that a fraction of one is one clearly makes no sense. You learned something in 15 minutes. You didn't prove it and you certainly don't know it. There is a difference. Why do we have .999r and 1? What is it that .999r represents? Yes, it is a tedious argument that has been beaten to glue. The limit of .999r is one, but the limit is the asymptote, no? The value ever approached but never reached.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Overall, in glancing through the comments it seemed that the Reddit crowd was fairly good at moderating the idiots way down.  I'm wondering whether the Reddit crowd is a little smarter than the Digg crowd.  Or maybe Reddit has a better moderation system?  Maybe Reddit is new enough that the layfolk haven't found it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like the same article is ranking well on <a href="http://reddit.com/" rel="nofollow">Reddit</a> as well (currently at 13th place, even after a day).  Here are the reddit <a href="http://reddit.com/info/89dv/comments" rel="nofollow">comments</a>.  I just glanced through them.  Here is one that got moderated way down:</p>
<blockquote><p>
degustibus -83 points 21 hours ago*</p>
<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t equal one. Think of the number line. Infitessimally to the left of one is .999 repeating. One is to the right of this value. 1/infinitiy is not the exact same as zero. I&#8217;m using the word equal in the sense of identical. I know that axiomatically one derives .999r = 1, but to say that a fraction of one is one clearly makes no sense. You learned something in 15 minutes. You didn&#8217;t prove it and you certainly don&#8217;t know it. There is a difference. Why do we have .999r and 1? What is it that .999r represents? Yes, it is a tedious argument that has been beaten to glue. The limit of .999r is one, but the limit is the asymptote, no? The value ever approached but never reached.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Overall, in glancing through the comments it seemed that the Reddit crowd was fairly good at moderating the idiots way down.  I&#8217;m wondering whether the Reddit crowd is a little smarter than the Digg crowd.  Or maybe Reddit has a better moderation system?  Maybe Reddit is new enough that the layfolk haven&#8217;t found it yet.</p>
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