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	<description>Chinese, Linguistics, Science, Cultural Observations and whatever else I feel like writing about</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rohit</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/review-chinese-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-67973</link>
		<dc:creator>rohit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree almost completely with the post...spot on! The main problem I had was the atrocious accent and tonal mis-pronounciations of the host at beginners level (Ken I beleive).

Still with over 500 lessons now, its a hard resource to beat, and not too expensive (I would not subsribe as premium...the $10/month option is good enough).  This coupled with pimsleur and FSI should be enough resources for beginner-upper intermediate learners who are not in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree almost completely with the post&#8230;spot on! The main problem I had was the atrocious accent and tonal mis-pronounciations of the host at beginners level (Ken I beleive).</p>
<p>Still with over 500 lessons now, its a hard resource to beat, and not too expensive (I would not subsribe as premium&#8230;the $10/month option is good enough).  This coupled with pimsleur and FSI should be enough resources for beginner-upper intermediate learners who are not in China.</p>
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		<title>By: chinese pod listener</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/review-chinese-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-40036</link>
		<dc:creator>chinese pod listener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been studying chinsese for a year and half and the university, in the area I live in, doesn't offer an extensive curriculum for studying the language.  So, for me, chinese pod has become useful in learning new vocabulary words, with an explanation to what they mean, that I wouldn't learn in class and it is also entertaining.  My girlfriend, who is Taiwanese and studying english, finds the lower levels useful for her english and in turn helps her learn how to explain chinese words to me in english.  They do have vocabulary lists and alternative uses for these words which is also helpful.  I tried listening to all the levels when I first discovered this podcast.  Now I only stick to the intermediate or elementary.  If you ever get a chance you should listen to the upper advanced level (Gao高Ji级). In these podcasts Jenny and the other female only conversate in chinese.  I have only listened to two of them, "Shanghai Expo" and another one about the olympics in Bei Jing where they talk about the ticket prices and stuff.  Overall it can be a useful resource for students of chinese as well as a student learning english.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been studying chinsese for a year and half and the university, in the area I live in, doesn&#8217;t offer an extensive curriculum for studying the language.  So, for me, chinese pod has become useful in learning new vocabulary words, with an explanation to what they mean, that I wouldn&#8217;t learn in class and it is also entertaining.  My girlfriend, who is Taiwanese and studying english, finds the lower levels useful for her english and in turn helps her learn how to explain chinese words to me in english.  They do have vocabulary lists and alternative uses for these words which is also helpful.  I tried listening to all the levels when I first discovered this podcast.  Now I only stick to the intermediate or elementary.  If you ever get a chance you should listen to the upper advanced level (Gao高Ji级). In these podcasts Jenny and the other female only conversate in chinese.  I have only listened to two of them, &#8220;Shanghai Expo&#8221; and another one about the olympics in Bei Jing where they talk about the ticket prices and stuff.  Overall it can be a useful resource for students of chinese as well as a student learning english.</p>
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		<title>By: Xiao Hu</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/review-chinese-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-11899</link>
		<dc:creator>Xiao Hu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your review was extremely uninciteful as you yourself admitted you don't listen to the podcasts for free (maybe because you have already attained a level past that presented in the podcasts), but for the rest of us who still need a little help the podcasts are filled with useful new words and the music is non-intrusive as well as giving the podcasts a more pleasant sound.  The small amound of English they use is okay because 90% is in Mandarin and if Jenny prefers to call herself Jenny then that's just a matter of her own personal preference.

I ONLY agree with the fact that her "eng" sounds like "en"  Ke Cheng sounds like Ke Chen etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your review was extremely uninciteful as you yourself admitted you don&#8217;t listen to the podcasts for free (maybe because you have already attained a level past that presented in the podcasts), but for the rest of us who still need a little help the podcasts are filled with useful new words and the music is non-intrusive as well as giving the podcasts a more pleasant sound.  The small amound of English they use is okay because 90% is in Mandarin and if Jenny prefers to call herself Jenny then that&#8217;s just a matter of her own personal preference.</p>
<p>I ONLY agree with the fact that her &#8220;eng&#8221; sounds like &#8220;en&#8221;  Ke Cheng sounds like Ke Chen etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Chinese Pod Revisited &#124; Doubting to shuō: Chinese, Investing, EFL and Being a Geek in Taiwan</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/review-chinese-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-8475</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinese Pod Revisited &#124; Doubting to shuō: Chinese, Investing, EFL and Being a Geek in Taiwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Since my initial review of Chinese Pod, I&#8217;ve received more email related to that one review than any other article I&#8217;ve written. Several Chinese students appreciated my perspective, and expressed similar feelings I had about Chinese Pod. On the other hand, I also received more angry emails regarding the review than I had ever previously seen in my life. After suffering insults about my site, insults about myself, insults about my family, and even one email that included vague threats against me, it became very clear to me that there are some CPod fanatics out there. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Since my initial review of Chinese Pod, I&#8217;ve received more email related to that one review than any other article I&#8217;ve written. Several Chinese students appreciated my perspective, and expressed similar feelings I had about Chinese Pod. On the other hand, I also received more angry emails regarding the review than I had ever previously seen in my life. After suffering insults about my site, insults about myself, insults about my family, and even one email that included vague threats against me, it became very clear to me that there are some CPod fanatics out there. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/review-chinese-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-6140</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a complete beginner in Chinese, and I love Chinese Pod the way it is. I need to hear a lot of English in the lessons, otherwise, someone at my level would be too intimidated. This handholding is essential for people like me to stick with it. 

I actually took a college class three years ago, so CPod at this point is a good review for me. That class was extremely hard, and although I finished with an "A" in it, I lost interest in keeping the study up because I felt it was just too much too soon for me.

Now, when I get to the intermediate level, maybe I will share some of your concerns. I read your follow up review and I'm glad you are now enjoying the CPod even better, and that the more advanced lessons are to your liking. After I get through the free intro lessons, I will definately pay for the one year subscription.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a complete beginner in Chinese, and I love Chinese Pod the way it is. I need to hear a lot of English in the lessons, otherwise, someone at my level would be too intimidated. This handholding is essential for people like me to stick with it. </p>
<p>I actually took a college class three years ago, so CPod at this point is a good review for me. That class was extremely hard, and although I finished with an &#8220;A&#8221; in it, I lost interest in keeping the study up because I felt it was just too much too soon for me.</p>
<p>Now, when I get to the intermediate level, maybe I will share some of your concerns. I read your follow up review and I&#8217;m glad you are now enjoying the CPod even better, and that the more advanced lessons are to your liking. After I get through the free intro lessons, I will definately pay for the one year subscription.</p>
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		<title>By: Let&apos;s Learn Korean</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/review-chinese-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-1809</link>
		<dc:creator>Let&apos;s Learn Korean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Chinese Pod&lt;/strong&gt;

Chinese Pod is an amazing learning resource for Chinese. There really should be one of these for Korean learners, but I haven&apos;t been able to find one. If anyone knows some good Korean listening resources I would be eternally grateful. 


If someon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Chinese Pod</strong></p>
<p>Chinese Pod is an amazing learning resource for Chinese. There really should be one of these for Korean learners, but I haven&apos;t been able to find one. If anyone knows some good Korean listening resources I would be eternally grateful. </p>
<p>If someon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/review-chinese-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-1766</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake, I've looked pretty hard for that sort of scholarship in the past, and from what I've seen it's pretty much all ear-marked for full time college students as opposed to people such as myself who want to go to a language school.  I've already graduated, but I'm not in grad school.  Do you know of any scholarships in particular that would apply to people such as myself?

P.S.  I find teaching pretty rewarding.  It's also interesting to see my students' own language acquisition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake, I&#8217;ve looked pretty hard for that sort of scholarship in the past, and from what I&#8217;ve seen it&#8217;s pretty much all ear-marked for full time college students as opposed to people such as myself who want to go to a language school.  I&#8217;ve already graduated, but I&#8217;m not in grad school.  Do you know of any scholarships in particular that would apply to people such as myself?</p>
<p>P.S.  I find teaching pretty rewarding.  It&#8217;s also interesting to see my students&#8217; own language acquisition.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/review-chinese-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-1754</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, it is good to see somebody with his head screwed on straight.  It looks like Chinese Pod the business is doing very well to have so many fans with such an emotional connection to it that they lash out at you like this for giving it a balanced review.  It also looks like nearly all of the gung-ho Chinese Pod fans are beginners who don't know much about what they are debating.

I can't stress enough that learning names DOES matter.  I had similar problems to the ones you mentioned in your post.  Many Chinese acquaintances used their English names with me, and I wasn't really that comfortable with all the common Chinese names until after finishing my M.A. in Chinese literature.  In the end, I learned most of them from reading about politicians in the paper.  *They* don't use English names.  Names are an important part of the language, and for beginners, just learning ten or so is a big step in the right direction.

I'm not sure if most Chinese students value their study time as much as you do, though.  Most college students I've known would accept wasting 10-15% of their listening time with branding and English chatter.

The biggest problem with Chinese Pod is the lack of material.  Nobody could possibly work through all the beginner pods and then be ready for the intermediate ones without outside study from other sources.  The next biggest problem is the massive pronunciation problems of the host.  People acquire language from the input to which they are exposed.  If 1/3 of the Chinese a student hears is from Ken, there WILL be a negative effect.

Spot on with the review! Chinese Pod is the best podcast resource on the web, and it has a lot of potential, but it's not ready to replace textbooks just yet.

-Jake

P.S. Mark, with your interest in Chinese, why are you still teaching English?  There's quite a bit of scholarship money available for students as motivated as you seem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, it is good to see somebody with his head screwed on straight.  It looks like Chinese Pod the business is doing very well to have so many fans with such an emotional connection to it that they lash out at you like this for giving it a balanced review.  It also looks like nearly all of the gung-ho Chinese Pod fans are beginners who don&#8217;t know much about what they are debating.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stress enough that learning names DOES matter.  I had similar problems to the ones you mentioned in your post.  Many Chinese acquaintances used their English names with me, and I wasn&#8217;t really that comfortable with all the common Chinese names until after finishing my M.A. in Chinese literature.  In the end, I learned most of them from reading about politicians in the paper.  *They* don&#8217;t use English names.  Names are an important part of the language, and for beginners, just learning ten or so is a big step in the right direction.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if most Chinese students value their study time as much as you do, though.  Most college students I&#8217;ve known would accept wasting 10-15% of their listening time with branding and English chatter.</p>
<p>The biggest problem with Chinese Pod is the lack of material.  Nobody could possibly work through all the beginner pods and then be ready for the intermediate ones without outside study from other sources.  The next biggest problem is the massive pronunciation problems of the host.  People acquire language from the input to which they are exposed.  If 1/3 of the Chinese a student hears is from Ken, there WILL be a negative effect.</p>
<p>Spot on with the review! Chinese Pod is the best podcast resource on the web, and it has a lot of potential, but it&#8217;s not ready to replace textbooks just yet.</p>
<p>-Jake</p>
<p>P.S. Mark, with your interest in Chinese, why are you still teaching English?  There&#8217;s quite a bit of scholarship money available for students as motivated as you seem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/review-chinese-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-1698</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted, can you point out any specific things in my review that were inaccurate?  I'm more than willing to post corrections.

For the record, I think that Serge Melnyk is a &lt;i&gt;worse&lt;/i&gt; alternative to classes or conversation partners than ChinesePod is.  I also agree that ChinesePod is the best resource of its kind on the web and has the potential to be really useful for students.  It just isn't there, yet, and I don't feel any "shame" in saying so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, can you point out any specific things in my review that were inaccurate?  I&#8217;m more than willing to post corrections.</p>
<p>For the record, I think that Serge Melnyk is a <i>worse</i> alternative to classes or conversation partners than ChinesePod is.  I also agree that ChinesePod is the best resource of its kind on the web and has the potential to be really useful for students.  It just isn&#8217;t there, yet, and I don&#8217;t feel any &#8220;shame&#8221; in saying so.</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/review-chinese-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-1691</link>
		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the things you state as fact are just plain inaccurate. I've just seen a real review on Slate.com, and it has nothing in common with yours. That speaks for itself.

There are thousands of people learning and being really motivated by chinesepod. I'm one of them. You just sound like sour grapes. Chinesepod is a work in progress that was started just a few months ago. If you had done even the most rudeimentary research you'd know that they are constantly improving it. You completely ignore the brilliance of the idea and the fact that they have made it work. In the space of a few months they've gone from nowhere to the dominant force. Why not include that in your 'review' instead of gurgling on about their English names. This is absurd.

I would give your 'review' a 1 out of 5. Poor effort and a shame that you would deter newcomers from the best resource for Mandarin on the web. 

And then someone suggests Serge Melnyk in the comments?? What is it with you people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the things you state as fact are just plain inaccurate. I&#8217;ve just seen a real review on Slate.com, and it has nothing in common with yours. That speaks for itself.</p>
<p>There are thousands of people learning and being really motivated by chinesepod. I&#8217;m one of them. You just sound like sour grapes. Chinesepod is a work in progress that was started just a few months ago. If you had done even the most rudeimentary research you&#8217;d know that they are constantly improving it. You completely ignore the brilliance of the idea and the fact that they have made it work. In the space of a few months they&#8217;ve gone from nowhere to the dominant force. Why not include that in your &#8216;review&#8217; instead of gurgling on about their English names. This is absurd.</p>
<p>I would give your &#8216;review&#8217; a 1 out of 5. Poor effort and a shame that you would deter newcomers from the best resource for Mandarin on the web. </p>
<p>And then someone suggests Serge Melnyk in the comments?? What is it with you people?</p>
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