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		<title>By: random</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/teaching-american-english/comment-page-1/#comment-150127</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UK and American words are said the same so why the hell spell them differently its stupid and causes unwanted confusion</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/teaching-american-english/comment-page-1/#comment-35161</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would never consider a lack of knowledge of world accents is a benefit.  Hopefully, teachers living in Taiwan would have a fair amount of exposure to speakers from different places.  I was saying that the comparative lack of exposure of &lt;i&gt;the majority of native English speakers&lt;/i&gt; to non-American speech is a reason to learn it.

When you say "low accent", my question is a "low accent" from what?  In my way of thinking an accent that's close to what's used by the majority of English speakers around the world is the best.  That accent would be anything from the so-called "neutral" western and mid-western part of the US or Canada.  A Texan accent would not be that accent.  Still, there are more Texans than Australians in the world (Wikipedia, 2000), so Texans aren't as small of a group as one might think.

One thing that's making it easier for many Texas as well as Irish and Australians is that all three groups diverge quite a bit less from the accent dominant on TV than they did 50 years ago.   A teacher whose speech is fairly close to "standard" won't have too many problems at most schools.

In my buxiban program, on the other hand, phonics is the &lt;i&gt;primary&lt;/i&gt; part of the curriculum in the first semester.  Any &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotic_and_non-rhotic_accents" rel="nofollow"&gt;non-rhotic&lt;/a&gt; speaker would have a very difficult time teaching in my program.  The students who are absolute beginners already have a very difficult time without the accent on the phonics sections of their CDs being completely different from the accent used by the teacher giving them phonics quizzes.

It may be of interest, though, that one of my partners in the school is a British guy.  He teaches the advanced classes and writing classes.  Since his classes aren't focussed on phonics, there are very few problems.  His students are also much more advanced than mine are.  Several have lived abroad, and others have studied for 5 years or more.  He has mentioned being a bit frustrated at occasionally having to use a more American sounding "short a" in order to be understood, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would never consider a lack of knowledge of world accents is a benefit.  Hopefully, teachers living in Taiwan would have a fair amount of exposure to speakers from different places.  I was saying that the comparative lack of exposure of <i>the majority of native English speakers</i> to non-American speech is a reason to learn it.</p>
<p>When you say &#8220;low accent&#8221;, my question is a &#8220;low accent&#8221; from what?  In my way of thinking an accent that&#8217;s close to what&#8217;s used by the majority of English speakers around the world is the best.  That accent would be anything from the so-called &#8220;neutral&#8221; western and mid-western part of the US or Canada.  A Texan accent would not be that accent.  Still, there are more Texans than Australians in the world (Wikipedia, 2000), so Texans aren&#8217;t as small of a group as one might think.</p>
<p>One thing that&#8217;s making it easier for many Texas as well as Irish and Australians is that all three groups diverge quite a bit less from the accent dominant on TV than they did 50 years ago.   A teacher whose speech is fairly close to &#8220;standard&#8221; won&#8217;t have too many problems at most schools.</p>
<p>In my buxiban program, on the other hand, phonics is the <i>primary</i> part of the curriculum in the first semester.  Any <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotic_and_non-rhotic_accents" rel="nofollow">non-rhotic</a> speaker would have a very difficult time teaching in my program.  The students who are absolute beginners already have a very difficult time without the accent on the phonics sections of their CDs being completely different from the accent used by the teacher giving them phonics quizzes.</p>
<p>It may be of interest, though, that one of my partners in the school is a British guy.  He teaches the advanced classes and writing classes.  Since his classes aren&#8217;t focussed on phonics, there are very few problems.  His students are also much more advanced than mine are.  Several have lived abroad, and others have studied for 5 years or more.  He has mentioned being a bit frustrated at occasionally having to use a more American sounding &#8220;short a&#8221; in order to be understood, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazy Aussie/Laoban</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/teaching-american-english/comment-page-1/#comment-35092</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazy Aussie/Laoban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Maybe, but I still find it difficult that you are saying a lack of knowledge of the world language these guys are teaching is somehow a benefit. I would have no problem with an Irish teacher either. I think what is needed is low accent clear speakers. I would rather a low accent Irish than a high accented Texan. The same for IELTS. There should be no barrier to Americans. I would rather have a clear speaking low accent American than than a highly accented Commonwealth teacher too. But perhaps we are not going to agree on this. By the way, I am having trouble with apostrophes in Firefox. It brings up a search box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Maybe, but I still find it difficult that you are saying a lack of knowledge of the world language these guys are teaching is somehow a benefit. I would have no problem with an Irish teacher either. I think what is needed is low accent clear speakers. I would rather a low accent Irish than a high accented Texan. The same for IELTS. There should be no barrier to Americans. I would rather have a clear speaking low accent American than than a highly accented Commonwealth teacher too. But perhaps we are not going to agree on this. By the way, I am having trouble with apostrophes in Firefox. It brings up a search box.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/teaching-american-english/comment-page-1/#comment-35035</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you're missing the point a bit.  What I was saying was, that &lt;i&gt;from the students' perspective&lt;/i&gt;, it's better to speak a form of English that's understood all around the world, than one that isn't.

Regardless of the language in question, speakers of less dominant dialects tend to be more familiar with the dominant dialect than visa-versa.  You could have made the same argument with German, saying that it's better to hire teachers who speak Swiss German than teachers from Germany due to the fact that they "can understand and explain the difference of sounds and words" between the two dialects.  However, most students would be better served by acquiring phonics and diction that match "standard" German as closely as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re missing the point a bit.  What I was saying was, that <i>from the students&#8217; perspective</i>, it&#8217;s better to speak a form of English that&#8217;s understood all around the world, than one that isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Regardless of the language in question, speakers of less dominant dialects tend to be more familiar with the dominant dialect than visa-versa.  You could have made the same argument with German, saying that it&#8217;s better to hire teachers who speak Swiss German than teachers from Germany due to the fact that they &#8220;can understand and explain the difference of sounds and words&#8221; between the two dialects.  However, most students would be better served by acquiring phonics and diction that match &#8220;standard&#8221; German as closely as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazy Aussie/Laoban</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/teaching-american-english/comment-page-1/#comment-34987</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazy Aussie/Laoban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;"Due to mass media, the British, Australians, and other English speakers understand US English much better than Americans understand other English dialects."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So you are saying it is better to hire someone who has less understanding and knowledge of English accents than those who have a wide range of knowledge and understanding? 

It's better to hire someone who ONLY understands American TV shows rather than someone who can understand (and explain the difference of sounds and words)the Young Ones AND Friends? Come On!

&lt;blockquote&gt;"American speakers are wealthier on average than other English speakers. The amount of money English speakers control is a crucial reason, if not the reason so many people around the world study English. There are more native Spanish and native Mandarin speakers around the world, but as they represent smaller markets to sell to and do business with, neither of those languages have achieved anything close to the dominance English has."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If they only want to go to the US fine, but really!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Due to mass media, the British, Australians, and other English speakers understand US English much better than Americans understand other English dialects.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So you are saying it is better to hire someone who has less understanding and knowledge of English accents than those who have a wide range of knowledge and understanding? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s better to hire someone who ONLY understands American TV shows rather than someone who can understand (and explain the difference of sounds and words)the Young Ones AND Friends? Come On!</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;American speakers are wealthier on average than other English speakers. The amount of money English speakers control is a crucial reason, if not the reason so many people around the world study English. There are more native Spanish and native Mandarin speakers around the world, but as they represent smaller markets to sell to and do business with, neither of those languages have achieved anything close to the dominance English has.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>If they only want to go to the US fine, but really!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/teaching-american-english/comment-page-1/#comment-22494</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real questions are how much of a variety and how soon.  Three years ago, though, I would have been frustrated and overwhelmed if my Chinese input were split between Tawianese, Shandong, Dongbei, Shanghai, and Xi'an accents.  Right now, though, I really like to hear a larger variety of Chinese accents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real questions are how much of a variety and how soon.  Three years ago, though, I would have been frustrated and overwhelmed if my Chinese input were split between Tawianese, Shandong, Dongbei, Shanghai, and Xi&#8217;an accents.  Right now, though, I really like to hear a larger variety of Chinese accents.</p>
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		<title>By: range</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/teaching-american-english/comment-page-1/#comment-22479</link>
		<dc:creator>range</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have discussed the matter with my wife, who has taught for 5 years and who has an MA in Education, and she agrees that the best way to learn English is to have a variety of accents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have discussed the matter with my wife, who has taught for 5 years and who has an MA in Education, and she agrees that the best way to learn English is to have a variety of accents.</p>
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		<title>By: range</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/teaching-american-english/comment-page-1/#comment-22440</link>
		<dc:creator>range</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exposure to a single accent isn't the best way to go in my opinion as well, since some or most of the students will go overseas and not understand the English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exposure to a single accent isn&#8217;t the best way to go in my opinion as well, since some or most of the students will go overseas and not understand the English.</p>
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		<title>By: David Reid</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/teaching-american-english/comment-page-1/#comment-1374</link>
		<dc:creator>David Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 03:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a student-centered lesson where the students spend a lot of time talking to each other is probably the best exposure students can get to non-native speakers. As a teacher you need to encourage peer correction and model the target language very clearly to ensure they don't end up reinforcing common mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a student-centered lesson where the students spend a lot of time talking to each other is probably the best exposure students can get to non-native speakers. As a teacher you need to encourage peer correction and model the target language very clearly to ensure they don&#8217;t end up reinforcing common mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2006/teaching-american-english/comment-page-1/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I think about this issue, the more I think the advantages of exposure to more dialects of English is worth more than keeping the same teacher for four years.  Maybe after just two years, the students could start switching teachers once per year.  It will definitely be an uphill battle to convince Ron, though.

What about your second point?  I'm assuming you aren't suggesting studying the accent and grammar of low-level Japanese learners of English or something like that.  What do you think would best prepare students to be able to understand mistakes made by other non-native speakers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I think about this issue, the more I think the advantages of exposure to more dialects of English is worth more than keeping the same teacher for four years.  Maybe after just two years, the students could start switching teachers once per year.  It will definitely be an uphill battle to convince Ron, though.</p>
<p>What about your second point?  I&#8217;m assuming you aren&#8217;t suggesting studying the accent and grammar of low-level Japanese learners of English or something like that.  What do you think would best prepare students to be able to understand mistakes made by other non-native speakers?</p>
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