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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/calculations/#comment-97794</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, I appreciate the feedback.  I'm willing to ride out extreme volatility, so I don't have much interest in using half-Kelly betting.  I'm trying to maximize long-term growth, so my IRA is off limits, but everything else is open for investing.

The real problem is trying to assign a value to &lt;i&gt;p&lt;/i&gt;.  If my performance up to this point is representative of my skills, then &lt;i&gt;p&lt;/i&gt; would be very nearly 1.  If I've just been lucky, then &lt;i&gt;p&lt;/i&gt; might be 0.2 or less.

Getting other investors is pretty much right out of the question until I have a "usable track-record".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I appreciate the feedback.  I&#8217;m willing to ride out extreme volatility, so I don&#8217;t have much interest in using half-Kelly betting.  I&#8217;m trying to maximize long-term growth, so my IRA is off limits, but everything else is open for investing.</p>
<p>The real problem is trying to assign a value to <i>p</i>.  If my performance up to this point is representative of my skills, then <i>p</i> would be very nearly 1.  If I&#8217;ve just been lucky, then <i>p</i> might be 0.2 or less.</p>
<p>Getting other investors is pretty much right out of the question until I have a &#8220;usable track-record&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Ball</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/calculations/#comment-97764</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was almost ready to suggest using Kelly Betting, but I quickly noticed that you've already included the Kelly Criterion equation at the end. :) 

The first question to ask is how you define 'ruin' and how much you're willing to risk.  When using full Kelly Betting, the chance of being reduced to 1/n of your original bankroll is 1/n (for example there's a 50% chance of being reduced to 50% at some point, a 10% chance to be reduce to 10%, and so on).  Most people use a fraction of the Kelly Criterion to reduce the risk of ruin (for example, use 1/2 of what the Kelly Criterion recommends).

The next question is the amount of your bankroll that you should place on one bet (like a hedge fund).  For example, let's say that half the time you lose all you money, and the other half of the time you make 10x your money.  We'd have this equation:

f = [bp - q]/b 
(where f = percentage of bankroll to bet, b = odds of bet, p = percentage chance of winning bet, q = percentage chance of losing bet = 1-p) 

f = [(10)(0.5) - (0.5)]/(10) 
f = 4.5 / 10 = 45% 

In fact, in the limiting case as b goes to infinity, the most you'd ever bet under the Kelly Criterion for a weighted coin flip is 50% of your bankroll.  Taken a step further, the maximum bet for an infinite 'b' (payout) is the percentage chance of winning the bet.

Lim b-&#62;inf of f = [bp - q]/b is  f = p 

So, I would say that there isn't any bet that's so good that you'd ever bet your whole bankroll on it.  When using half Kelly, the biggest bet you'd ever make is half your bankroll, and that would be for a sure bet only.

Of course, the hedge fund outcome is really the result of many small bets (not just one big bet), so it's hard to apply Kelly Betting perfectly.  My gut-feel, though, is that you should only start this with at most half of your net worth (and maybe get other investors to cover the difference)...  Just a thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was almost ready to suggest using Kelly Betting, but I quickly noticed that you&#8217;ve already included the Kelly Criterion equation at the end. <img src='http://toshuo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The first question to ask is how you define &#8216;ruin&#8217; and how much you&#8217;re willing to risk.  When using full Kelly Betting, the chance of being reduced to 1/n of your original bankroll is 1/n (for example there&#8217;s a 50% chance of being reduced to 50% at some point, a 10% chance to be reduce to 10%, and so on).  Most people use a fraction of the Kelly Criterion to reduce the risk of ruin (for example, use 1/2 of what the Kelly Criterion recommends).</p>
<p>The next question is the amount of your bankroll that you should place on one bet (like a hedge fund).  For example, let&#8217;s say that half the time you lose all you money, and the other half of the time you make 10x your money.  We&#8217;d have this equation:</p>
<p>f = [bp - q]/b<br />
(where f = percentage of bankroll to bet, b = odds of bet, p = percentage chance of winning bet, q = percentage chance of losing bet = 1-p) </p>
<p>f = [(10)(0.5) - (0.5)]/(10)<br />
f = 4.5 / 10 = 45% </p>
<p>In fact, in the limiting case as b goes to infinity, the most you&#8217;d ever bet under the Kelly Criterion for a weighted coin flip is 50% of your bankroll.  Taken a step further, the maximum bet for an infinite &#8216;b&#8217; (payout) is the percentage chance of winning the bet.</p>
<p>Lim b-&gt;inf of f = [bp - q]/b is  f = p </p>
<p>So, I would say that there isn&#8217;t any bet that&#8217;s so good that you&#8217;d ever bet your whole bankroll on it.  When using half Kelly, the biggest bet you&#8217;d ever make is half your bankroll, and that would be for a sure bet only.</p>
<p>Of course, the hedge fund outcome is really the result of many small bets (not just one big bet), so it&#8217;s hard to apply Kelly Betting perfectly.  My gut-feel, though, is that you should only start this with at most half of your net worth (and maybe get other investors to cover the difference)&#8230;  Just a thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/calculations/#comment-97457</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 04:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback, Nathan.  Is there any alternative you can suggest that with similarly low barriers to entry?

I realize that the industry is glutted, but unfortunately I'm unlicensed and have no "pedigree".  As such, my options are very limited.  Still, my investment performance over the last several years has soundly beaten over 99% of all managed funds.  I'm not discounting the possibility that I've just been extremely lucky, but if I do have skills, then I want to make the most of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback, Nathan.  Is there any alternative you can suggest that with similarly low barriers to entry?</p>
<p>I realize that the industry is glutted, but unfortunately I&#8217;m unlicensed and have no &#8220;pedigree&#8221;.  As such, my options are very limited.  Still, my investment performance over the last several years has soundly beaten over 99% of all managed funds.  I&#8217;m not discounting the possibility that I&#8217;ve just been extremely lucky, but if I do have skills, then I want to make the most of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick, unsolicited suggestion from someone who knows a lot of people in the financial industry - the hedge fund industry is extremely glutted right now. I would try something else if you're looking for a new way to invest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick, unsolicited suggestion from someone who knows a lot of people in the financial industry - the hedge fund industry is extremely glutted right now. I would try something else if you&#8217;re looking for a new way to invest.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/calculations/#comment-97096</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the heads up, Alex.  Some people have copied my articles about language learning before, but only for what seemed to be altruistic purposes.

This is just ridiculous, though.  Adsense really does seem to bring out the worst in people.

(their copy is at thedailyinvestment.net/calculations)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the heads up, Alex.  Some people have copied my articles about language learning before, but only for what seemed to be altruistic purposes.</p>
<p>This is just ridiculous, though.  Adsense really does seem to bring out the worst in people.</p>
<p>(their copy is at thedailyinvestment.net/calculations)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/calculations/#comment-97024</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you'd like to know that thedailyinvestment.net/ is stealing your content and posting it without crediting you.  He's doing the same to me and to many others.  I reported him to adsense abuse.  The more of us who do that might make him stop getting paid for what we write.
google.com/adsense_dmca.html lists the steps to follow to file a complaint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you&#8217;d like to know that thedailyinvestment.net/ is stealing your content and posting it without crediting you.  He&#8217;s doing the same to me and to many others.  I reported him to adsense abuse.  The more of us who do that might make him stop getting paid for what we write.<br />
google.com/adsense_dmca.html lists the steps to follow to file a complaint.</p>
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