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		<title>By: Mike Gravel on the Colbert Report &#124; Doubting to shuo: Chinese, Investing, EFL and Being a Geek in Taiwan</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/mike-gravel-people-are-dying-and-theyre-interested-in-the-symbolic-vote/#comment-76846</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gravel on the Colbert Report &#124; Doubting to shuo: Chinese, Investing, EFL and Being a Geek in Taiwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/mike-gravel-people-are-dying-and-theyre-interested-in-the-symbolic-vote/#comment-75791</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush reminds me of Andrew Jackson, the guy that broke our treaty with the Cherokee, invaded their land, threatened to "fire" Supreme Court chief justice John Marshall, illegally invaded Florida, and somehow got away with it all.

Leaders that bad only come once a century... if that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush reminds me of Andrew Jackson, the guy that broke our treaty with the Cherokee, invaded their land, threatened to &#8220;fire&#8221; Supreme Court chief justice John Marshall, illegally invaded Florida, and somehow got away with it all.</p>
<p>Leaders that bad only come once a century&#8230; if that.</p>
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		<title>By: Prince Roy</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/mike-gravel-people-are-dying-and-theyre-interested-in-the-symbolic-vote/#comment-75786</link>
		<dc:creator>Prince Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the distinction with Clinton is at least he followed the political process to accomplish his goals.  No one has accused him of breaking the law with regards to the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act.  It was duly passed by Congress, and his administration implemented it to the letter of the law.

Contrast that with George W. Bush, who has completely disregarded US law (FISA), and has illegally wiretapped US citizens without obtaining a warrant, as that law requires him to do.   

Or his practice of bill-signing where he reserves the right to interpret or ignore or the law as he sees fit. (He has made over 800 bill-signing statements to this point.)

With these and other actions, he has made a thorough mockery of the US Constitution (see Article Two, Section Three)

I wont even go into his foreign policy; domestically alone his administration has proven to be the most criminally abusive in the nation's history, even topping that of Richard Nixon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the distinction with Clinton is at least he followed the political process to accomplish his goals.  No one has accused him of breaking the law with regards to the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act.  It was duly passed by Congress, and his administration implemented it to the letter of the law.</p>
<p>Contrast that with George W. Bush, who has completely disregarded US law (FISA), and has illegally wiretapped US citizens without obtaining a warrant, as that law requires him to do.   </p>
<p>Or his practice of bill-signing where he reserves the right to interpret or ignore or the law as he sees fit. (He has made over 800 bill-signing statements to this point.)</p>
<p>With these and other actions, he has made a thorough mockery of the US Constitution (see Article Two, Section Three)</p>
<p>I wont even go into his foreign policy; domestically alone his administration has proven to be the most criminally abusive in the nation&#8217;s history, even topping that of Richard Nixon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/mike-gravel-people-are-dying-and-theyre-interested-in-the-symbolic-vote/#comment-75286</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gravel is a &lt;em&gt;Democrat&lt;/em&gt;, not a Republican.  However, many of his positions are similar to Ron Paul's.  Gravel has spoken out against the war, and &lt;a href="http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/296868/mike_gravel_end_the_war_on_drugs.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;against the war on drugs&lt;/a&gt;.  That video includes Ron Paul only because I couldn't find one with just Gravel's half of that Stephanopoulos interview.  I really do have quite a bit of respect for Mike Gravel.  He speaks for what is right, even when he is a lonely voice against the crowd.  He was right about Vietnam, and he's right about Iraq.  It really saddens me that he's seen as "comedy" at the Democratic primary debates.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If I had your complaints about the US government (war on terror, war on drugs, erosion of privacy, constitutional rights, etc.), I’d hold the party responsible for them, well… responsible for them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Both parties are responsible.  The GOP lead the push for the war in Iraq, but many Democrats went along.  Clinton abused the bill of rights with his &lt;a href="http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9822" rel="nofollow"&gt;Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act&lt;/a&gt;, but many Republicans went along with it.  Bush pushed the Patriot Act, but nearly all the Democrats supported it.  Democrats have been especially supportive of Hollywood's excesses, helping push legislation such as the &lt;span class="info" title="Every Democrat in the Senate voted for it, and Clinton signed it"&gt;DMCA&lt;/span&gt; and Republicans have fed the very industrial military complex Eisenhower warned us of.  Major candidates from both parties have supported the ill-advised war on drugs.

I like Ron Paul, so much because he &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; spoken out (and voted against) the war, the war on drugs, the patriot act, torture, no-knock raids, and &lt;b&gt;anything that violates the constitution&lt;/b&gt;.  The same goes for Mike Gravel, to a degree.

For the record, I've voted for more Democrats than Republicans over my 11 years as a voter and I've never voted for a Republican for president.  I'm not currently a Republican, but I am registering as one just to vote for Ron Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gravel is a <em>Democrat</em>, not a Republican.  However, many of his positions are similar to Ron Paul&#8217;s.  Gravel has spoken out against the war, and <a href="http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/296868/mike_gravel_end_the_war_on_drugs.html" rel="nofollow">against the war on drugs</a>.  That video includes Ron Paul only because I couldn&#8217;t find one with just Gravel&#8217;s half of that Stephanopoulos interview.  I really do have quite a bit of respect for Mike Gravel.  He speaks for what is right, even when he is a lonely voice against the crowd.  He was right about Vietnam, and he&#8217;s right about Iraq.  It really saddens me that he&#8217;s seen as &#8220;comedy&#8221; at the Democratic primary debates.</p>
<blockquote><p>If I had your complaints about the US government (war on terror, war on drugs, erosion of privacy, constitutional rights, etc.), I’d hold the party responsible for them, well… responsible for them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Both parties are responsible.  The GOP lead the push for the war in Iraq, but many Democrats went along.  Clinton abused the bill of rights with his <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9822" rel="nofollow">Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act</a>, but many Republicans went along with it.  Bush pushed the Patriot Act, but nearly all the Democrats supported it.  Democrats have been especially supportive of Hollywood&#8217;s excesses, helping push legislation such as the <span class="info" title="Every Democrat in the Senate voted for it, and Clinton signed it">DMCA</span> and Republicans have fed the very industrial military complex Eisenhower warned us of.  Major candidates from both parties have supported the ill-advised war on drugs.</p>
<p>I like Ron Paul, so much because he <i>has</i> spoken out (and voted against) the war, the war on drugs, the patriot act, torture, no-knock raids, and <b>anything that violates the constitution</b>.  The same goes for Mike Gravel, to a degree.</p>
<p>For the record, I&#8217;ve voted for more Democrats than Republicans over my 11 years as a voter and I&#8217;ve never voted for a Republican for president.  I&#8217;m not currently a Republican, but I am registering as one just to vote for Ron Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/mike-gravel-people-are-dying-and-theyre-interested-in-the-symbolic-vote/#comment-75283</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's what I told Franc a few days ago:

I’m just a patriot who got tired of doing nothing. Countless people are dying in an ill-advised war abroad, citizens at home are being stripped of basic rights, and people are being detained and tortured without trial. This isn’t the kind of America I grew up loving, and it’s painful to watch.

Maybe it’s the 4th of July that gave me the final push to start writing. I don’t really want this to be a political blog, but each post does reach about 10,000 readers via RSS, I don’t think my conscience would sit too well with me if I didn’t do anything at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I told Franc a few days ago:</p>
<p>I’m just a patriot who got tired of doing nothing. Countless people are dying in an ill-advised war abroad, citizens at home are being stripped of basic rights, and people are being detained and tortured without trial. This isn’t the kind of America I grew up loving, and it’s painful to watch.</p>
<p>Maybe it’s the 4th of July that gave me the final push to start writing. I don’t really want this to be a political blog, but each post does reach about 10,000 readers via RSS, I don’t think my conscience would sit too well with me if I didn’t do anything at all.</p>
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		<title>By: trevelyan</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/mike-gravel-people-are-dying-and-theyre-interested-in-the-symbolic-vote/#comment-75235</link>
		<dc:creator>trevelyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last comment of mine is unfair to you and this site. I am surprised by the focus on Ron Paul though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last comment of mine is unfair to you and this site. I am surprised by the focus on Ron Paul though.</p>
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		<title>By: trevelyan</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/mike-gravel-people-are-dying-and-theyre-interested-in-the-symbolic-vote/#comment-75218</link>
		<dc:creator>trevelyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm stunned reading all these Ron Paul posts, Mark. If I had your complaints about the US government (war on terror, war on drugs, erosion of privacy, constitutional rights, etc.), I'd hold the party responsible for them, well... responsible for them.

Sounds like you just want/need a Republican you can believe in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m stunned reading all these Ron Paul posts, Mark. If I had your complaints about the US government (war on terror, war on drugs, erosion of privacy, constitutional rights, etc.), I&#8217;d hold the party responsible for them, well&#8230; responsible for them.</p>
<p>Sounds like you just want/need a Republican you can believe in.</p>
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