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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/the-debit-card-dilemma/#comment-156689</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My application for a VISA from Citi Bank was rejected without any explanations. I've been in Taiwan for more than one year. I work for a government company, and, yes, I have more than NT$300k on my account. All the above didn't help anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My application for a VISA from Citi Bank was rejected without any explanations. I&#8217;ve been in Taiwan for more than one year. I work for a government company, and, yes, I have more than NT$300k on my account. All the above didn&#8217;t help anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: peipei</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/the-debit-card-dilemma/#comment-127657</link>
		<dc:creator>peipei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>same here, i live in taiwan for about 4 years now, but still it's hard for me to purchase online since cc does't seem to work for int purchase,but 2 months i found this http://www.epayarea.com/?affiliator_id=128019  and thx to them now  have my own cc with my name on it and i can pay for my hosting and my fav online game yay =))
excellent service i highly recommended them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>same here, i live in taiwan for about 4 years now, but still it&#8217;s hard for me to purchase online since cc does&#8217;t seem to work for int purchase,but 2 months i found this <a href="http://www.epayarea.com/?affiliator_id=128019" rel="nofollow">http://www.epayarea.com/?affiliator_id=128019</a>  and thx to them now  have my own cc with my name on it and i can pay for my hosting and my fav online game yay =))<br />
excellent service i highly recommended them</p>
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		<title>By: Karin</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/the-debit-card-dilemma/#comment-120748</link>
		<dc:creator>Karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in the same dilemma.  I'm an American residing in The Netherlands.  I had checking and savings account with Netbank ever since before I moved to The Netherlands.  When Ing Direct bought Netbank, I had to prove my u.s residency.  I go back regularly to the state and I use my sister's address as my permanent residence.  I had to go through all the trouble of proving that that's is my place of residence.  They approved it and transfered my Netbank checking account into Ing Direct savings account.  I tried to apply for their checking account, I was rejected because I don't have credit score.  

You can only transfer money out of the savings account into another local checking account.  Since I don't have a local checking account, I won't be able to transfer money at all.

The best way to open a checking account in the U.S is to have a relative co-own the account.  This way you can build up credit score through a debit visa card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in the same dilemma.  I&#8217;m an American residing in The Netherlands.  I had checking and savings account with Netbank ever since before I moved to The Netherlands.  When Ing Direct bought Netbank, I had to prove my u.s residency.  I go back regularly to the state and I use my sister&#8217;s address as my permanent residence.  I had to go through all the trouble of proving that that&#8217;s is my place of residence.  They approved it and transfered my Netbank checking account into Ing Direct savings account.  I tried to apply for their checking account, I was rejected because I don&#8217;t have credit score.  </p>
<p>You can only transfer money out of the savings account into another local checking account.  Since I don&#8217;t have a local checking account, I won&#8217;t be able to transfer money at all.</p>
<p>The best way to open a checking account in the U.S is to have a relative co-own the account.  This way you can build up credit score through a debit visa card.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/the-debit-card-dilemma/#comment-117146</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the attempt to help.  I spent an hour or so on that site and talking with their customer support.  Unfortunately, there are two things that make their service unusable for me.

1) It's a gift service and I can't send money to myself with it.

2) They still require a debit card or credit card to fund my account.

I don't have the time right now to spend too much time looking pursuing similar likely dead ends.  If anyone with modest savings has been able to get a card from their bank in Taiwan as a foreigner, I'll give it a try.  If I know which bank branch, what to sign up for, etc, I'll free up some time from work and give it a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the attempt to help.  I spent an hour or so on that site and talking with their customer support.  Unfortunately, there are two things that make their service unusable for me.</p>
<p>1) It&#8217;s a gift service and I can&#8217;t send money to myself with it.</p>
<p>2) They still require a debit card or credit card to fund my account.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the time right now to spend too much time looking pursuing similar likely dead ends.  If anyone with modest savings has been able to get a card from their bank in Taiwan as a foreigner, I&#8217;ll give it a try.  If I know which bank branch, what to sign up for, etc, I&#8217;ll free up some time from work and give it a try.</p>
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		<title>By: llary</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/the-debit-card-dilemma/#comment-117127</link>
		<dc:creator>llary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used this company before to send cards as gifts/incentives. They will FedEx cards anywhere in the world and it works out about $20 incl. shipping for the card that you can recharge in future with bank transfers. Just be wary of the ATM charges (online / swipe purchases are free).

https://www.ikobo.com/asia/money-transfer-Taiwan.html

If you're not happy with this company there are thousands doing the same thing - google 'international prepaid visa card'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used this company before to send cards as gifts/incentives. They will FedEx cards anywhere in the world and it works out about $20 incl. shipping for the card that you can recharge in future with bank transfers. Just be wary of the ATM charges (online / swipe purchases are free).</p>
<p><a href="https://www.ikobo.com/asia/money-transfer-Taiwan.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.ikobo.com/asia/money-transfer-Taiwan.html</a></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not happy with this company there are thousands doing the same thing - google &#8216;international prepaid visa card&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/the-debit-card-dilemma/#comment-117040</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fubon's regulations specifically state that foreigners' debit cards aren't to be used for international transactions:
http://www.taipeifubon.com.tw/html/oneMillion/visa_chip_card/cardapply961120.pdf
&lt;blockquote&gt;十三、立約人與貴行約定得使用金融卡提領外幣者，以年滿二十歲且具中華民國
國籍為限或年滿二十歲在台領有外僑居留證之外國自然人為限，惟附卡持
卡人為外國人者一律不具跨國提款功能；其並對所提領之外幣，應自行核
算並控制在中央銀行所准外匯額度內，並授權貴行依相關外匯法令據實代
為辦理本項結匯申報。&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Here's an excerpt from megacard:
http://www.megacard.com.tw/visadebit/visadebit_002.htm
&lt;blockquote&gt;
有的卡片右上角印有『VALID IN TAIWAN ONLY』，有的卻沒印?

因為中央銀行法令規定，必須年滿20歲(含)以上的本國人才可以結售(購)外幣，所以針對外國人及20歲以下的本國人，我們只能製發標示『VALID IN TAIWAN ONLY』的VISA金融卡，該卡只能在國內ATM及商店進行台幣交易。&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fubon&#8217;s regulations specifically state that foreigners&#8217; debit cards aren&#8217;t to be used for international transactions:<br />
<a href="http://www.taipeifubon.com.tw/html/oneMillion/visa_chip_card/cardapply961120.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.taipeifubon.com.tw/html/oneMillion/visa_chip_card/cardapply961120.pdf</a></p>
<blockquote><p>十三、立約人與貴行約定得使用金融卡提領外幣者，以年滿二十歲且具中華民國<br />
國籍為限或年滿二十歲在台領有外僑居留證之外國自然人為限，惟附卡持<br />
卡人為外國人者一律不具跨國提款功能；其並對所提領之外幣，應自行核<br />
算並控制在中央銀行所准外匯額度內，並授權貴行依相關外匯法令據實代<br />
為辦理本項結匯申報。</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s an excerpt from megacard:<br />
<a href="http://www.megacard.com.tw/visadebit/visadebit_002.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.megacard.com.tw/visadebit/visadebit_002.htm</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
有的卡片右上角印有『VALID IN TAIWAN ONLY』，有的卻沒印?</p>
<p>因為中央銀行法令規定，必須年滿20歲(含)以上的本國人才可以結售(購)外幣，所以針對外國人及20歲以下的本國人，我們只能製發標示『VALID IN TAIWAN ONLY』的VISA金融卡，該卡只能在國內ATM及商店進行台幣交易。</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/the-debit-card-dilemma/#comment-117001</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll be sure to stay on topic next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be sure to stay on topic next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/the-debit-card-dilemma/#comment-116915</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I'd happily take one if I could get one (your bank turned me down), this post wasn't about credit cards.

FYI, I had a three year ARC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;d happily take one if I could get one (your bank turned me down), this post wasn&#8217;t about credit cards.</p>
<p>FYI, I had a three year ARC.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/the-debit-card-dilemma/#comment-116900</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an article from the &lt;a href="http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2005/12/24/2003285777" rel="nofollow"&gt;Taipei times:&lt;/a&gt; 
Here is the beginning: Saturday, Dec 24, 2005, Page 1


&lt;blockquote&gt;Despite the recent decision by banking authorities to relax the regulations on applications for credit cards by foreigners living in Taiwan, local banks did not appear very interested in following suit and relaxing their criteria for the granting of new cards to expats.

"The main issue is that many foreigners have no long-term fixed abode or guarantor, which makes it difficult for card issuers to get hold of them when it comes to claiming the bills," Meiji Chen (陳明智), head of the card business division at Union Bank of Taiwan, said in a telephone interview yesterday.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Granted, that was 2 years ago, but perhaps many banks' reticence to give cards to people whose ARC is only valid for one year  is still in effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an article from the <a href="http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2005/12/24/2003285777" rel="nofollow">Taipei times:</a><br />
Here is the beginning: Saturday, Dec 24, 2005, Page 1</p>
<blockquote><p>Despite the recent decision by banking authorities to relax the regulations on applications for credit cards by foreigners living in Taiwan, local banks did not appear very interested in following suit and relaxing their criteria for the granting of new cards to expats.</p>
<p>&#8220;The main issue is that many foreigners have no long-term fixed abode or guarantor, which makes it difficult for card issuers to get hold of them when it comes to claiming the bills,&#8221; Meiji Chen (陳明智), head of the card business division at Union Bank of Taiwan, said in a telephone interview yesterday.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Granted, that was 2 years ago, but perhaps many banks&#8217; reticence to give cards to people whose ARC is only valid for one year  is still in effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://toshuo.com/2007/the-debit-card-dilemma/#comment-116895</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said they discriminated &lt;i&gt;racially&lt;/i&gt;.  I said that their policies discriminate against foreigners, and I doubt anyone could make a reasonable argument otherwise.  

Try to ignore the fact as you may, but nearly &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; Taiwanese person can get a debit card at China Trust or Taishin.  I earn a steady income and I have zero debt.  It's &lt;i&gt;entirely&lt;/i&gt; a matter of policies that discriminate against foreigners.  Claiming otherwise is ridiculous.

I understand that for someone like you who can afford to drop $10,000 USD into a savings account just to get a credit card, banking is convenient here.  You could do your banking pretty easily in just about any country.

For the rest of us, though, it's not so easy.  Of course, you can't be expected to be sympathetic, but dropping by to tell me how "fair" the banks are to foreigners is a bit distasteful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said they discriminated <i>racially</i>.  I said that their policies discriminate against foreigners, and I doubt anyone could make a reasonable argument otherwise.  </p>
<p>Try to ignore the fact as you may, but nearly <i>any</i> Taiwanese person can get a debit card at China Trust or Taishin.  I earn a steady income and I have zero debt.  It&#8217;s <i>entirely</i> a matter of policies that discriminate against foreigners.  Claiming otherwise is ridiculous.</p>
<p>I understand that for someone like you who can afford to drop $10,000 USD into a savings account just to get a credit card, banking is convenient here.  You could do your banking pretty easily in just about any country.</p>
<p>For the rest of us, though, it&#8217;s not so easy.  Of course, you can&#8217;t be expected to be sympathetic, but dropping by to tell me how &#8220;fair&#8221; the banks are to foreigners is a bit distasteful.</p>
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