85度C Drink Menu (With Adsotrans Notes)

March 2nd, 2008 by Mark

13 Responses to “85度C Drink Menu (With Adsotrans Notes)”

1. 1 David on Formosa Says:
   March 2nd, 2008 at 7:58 am

   One strange thing is that traditional characters seem to be converted to simplified characters (where there is a difference) when you click on them. e.g 華 => 华

2. 2 Mark Says:
   March 2nd, 2008 at 8:43 am

   Woah. You’re right. That is strange. And they all come back after reloading the page. I’ll talk with David L. about this. Thanks.

3. 3 sjcma Says:
   March 2nd, 2008 at 1:33 pm

   The pop-up seems to think 招牌冰 is a word meaning “placard ice”.

4. 4 John Says:
   March 2nd, 2008 at 6:48 pm

   Looks like you’re falling for Dave’s evil 简化 scheme.

   Don’t be fooled by his “I like traditional characters too” rhetoric!

5. 5 trevelyan Says:
   March 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 pm

   ha John. Looks like I need to tweak things for fanti. Will get on that.

6. 6 trevelyan Says:
   March 2nd, 2008 at 9:18 pm

   @sjcma - new version of the software bundles multiple noun units together if there aren’t any other possible combinations (ie. 冰 meaning “iced” functioning as an adjectival modifier).

   This gives us some strange entries like that. But the upside is that people are actually correcting them on the phrase level rather than letting the errors persist, so the setup is turning out to be good for the database.

7. 7 trevelyan Says:
   March 2nd, 2008 at 10:23 pm

   Ok. We’re now “reversing” the traditional and simplified Chinese for traditional texts. This will keep traditional characters from getting converted into simplified when people click to annotate.

   The editing functionality is going to need some work. In the meantime, people can still add words/phrases, but the entries won’t get added automatically like simplified content. Will see if I can come up with something to fix this next week so there’s no need to wait.

8. 8 Todd Says:
   March 3rd, 2008 at 9:46 pm

   Looks good Mark! I think the version I posted (using straight text) is more appropriate for people who have little or no Chinese ability. With the adsotrans version it would take some clicking around to find the needed information.

9. 9 Mark Says:
   March 3rd, 2008 at 10:30 pm

   I agree, Todd. I think the kind of pop-ups I did on the Subway post were good for learners– just hovering on a character would bring up Chinese and pinyin that I had entered myself. This plug-in isn’t so friendly for the readers.

   It’s more of a convenience for the blogger. It automatically does everything for you, albeit poorly. Putting it on my blog is a good thing for the dictionary. They really don’t get many traditional Chinese users adding to the dictionary, and it’s very easy to edit and submit entries with this setup… or at least it will be after David gets it working.

10. 10 trevelyan Says:
    March 3rd, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    So - honest question - what should we do to improve it? One option is keeping the popup box that says “click to annotate” whenever the mouse hovers over annotatable content, instead of just the first time. That would act as an immediate reminder of what functionality is there.

    The trade-off is between convenience editing and convenient annotating. We can always annotate the content when the blogger submits a post, but that also makes it impossible to do real-time editing: you’re stuck with whatever popups you get and it’s back to manual editing whenever you want to make changes. This way you have to click when you want to see definitions, but you’re guaranteed the most up-to-date definition/gloss we have, and the popups won’t go obsolete as the tech improves.

    As a user myself, I don’t mind the clicking and trivial wait, since I’ll only want to see the pinyin/gloss if I don’t know the word. But I may just not be representative. If people are interested in another setup, we can take a look. Only thing that’s off the table is annotating EVERYTHING on page load, since that could quickly grind the server to a halt, without any guarantee people are actually looking at the popups.

11. 11 trevelyan Says:
    March 3rd, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    > 阿華田

    What is that by the way? Never run across it here on the mainland?

12. 12 sjcma Says:
    March 3rd, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    That’s because the mainland has never had the pleasure of being a long-time British colony. 阿華田 is a chocolate malted-milk beverage called Ovaltine. It’s very popular in Hong Kong, less so in Taiwan.

13. 13 Intan Says:
    March 14th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    Why ??? But isn’t it really , I don’t know it but , IO know that Hongkong àíùūŏis more popular than Tiwan it is really isn’t it ???

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